Re: Tech jobs disappear - "jobs of future" are gone!

"Love Rhino" <DaLoveRhino_at_hotmail.com> wrote in message news:84c8d9dc.0410200328.44996629_at_posting.google.com...
> "Phil Scott" <philscott888_at_sf.sbcglobal.net> wrote in
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> > it is interesting.
> >
> > as these managers outsource what they themselves manage
to
> > india... that managent work will tend to shift to india
> > also... as that goes to india so can the rest of
management.
> >
> > The american management Ive met were impressive at the
very
> > top in many cases... but at mid ranges uniformly
> > unimpressive..
>
> I haven't been impressed. Nearly everyone I've met was some
> regular schmoe from college that decides to get an MBA, take
> one course in IT, and say with a straight face to a senior
> developer, "Yeah, I have programming experience.", then they
> demand to be paid the big bucks, ask their peons to work
long
> hours and weekends, while they maintain their 9 to 5 job.
>
> Ofcourse, had I been street smart in my 20's I'd do the
same. :)

      Maybe you would have done the same... maybe you would have seen what many of use see, the soul destroying nature of life in that rat race. Some never see it.. Others learn about life, and its not in such an utterly fraudulent, snake pit type atmosphere.

   (self employment is not such a bad option..you get to tell the bad customers and vicious sociopaths to find someone else...I hand em a yellow page book and tell them that there are HUNDREDS of better men than me around, much brighter...virtual genius's who work for a lot less than I do.... good ridance.. you see them later bankrupt or calling you back... I tell them I am busy)

Life in a snake pit causes the body to produce real nasty brain and body chemistry that kill organs and brain cells (cortisols, and noradrenalin a by product of adrenalin releases... both of those feel very good by the when on first release, at low levels they serve useful functions, then you get addicted...and the body floods with these, the results are devastating... it can take decades to recover)

> But, I wouldn't be able to pull it off. I don't think I can
> honestly look someone in the eye, and tell them to work long
> hours on my behalf, so that I would look good in front of my
> superiors.

 You are a good man pal. But that of course wont make it as you know in corporate america.. one that is now eating itself alive from the inside out... these people are not very bright across a very broad spectrum.

>
>
> >
> > now if we get US workers to indian levels, 2 dollars a
hour...
> > we have solved our inflation problem. But at 2 bucks
the
> > 100,000 dollar a year prison guard pensions will be
> > difficult..it will take all 1000 workers earn to pay for
one
> > prison guards retirement at age 42 and life time medical
care
> > the next 40 years.
> >
>
> You know, a while back, I had the idea of outsourcing jury
duty,
> but I think you are really on to something here. Why not
> outsource prisons to India and southeast asia?

Why not.. its cheaper...and the prison guards can move there too...some nice place in calcutta. already you know we have a large and fast growing private prison network in the US (search it on google) these contract with state and federal govt. Wackenhut for example (a vicious spin off of the CIA and now I think a Haliburton subsidary of sorts) runs the most corrupt of these prisons.

All this could be out sourced. Even most of US govt paper shuffling jobs, and many are actually being outsourced... some DMV stuff... I can guarantee you that as US tax revenue tanks, and the govt still needs to pay its generous retirements to civil servants and keep thier management jobs...with no money coming in...they will outsource more and more..... until that is they notice that this sends the tax dollars out of the country and cuts into the US economy even more, fruther driving the tax base into the tank.

at least an american civil servant, as counter productive as they are, spends thier tax paid pay check in the US....

> Just like
> Australia was to England. It would be cheaper to house
inmates
> overseas. Cutting corners and human rights violations won't
be
> so much of a problem or a public issue. I mean, really, how
> often does China's human rights violations grab the evening
> news? And if these prisoners escape? Big deal. They are
over
> seas, not harming Americans, and since they'd look like fish
> out of the water, without knowing even the local language,
> they'd be easy to catch too.

    Marvelous idea...we need to put a petition on the ballet to outsource the IRS jobs as well seeing as how they are unable to collect taxes viably... The indian collection agents can be moved into a baracks here and still be paid 2 dollars a day and food... that would really cut the US govt overhead. We already have that in the california construciton industry with chinese guys... there ae huge schools for them now paid by US taxpayer money... bringing them up to speed on US construction standards.

>
> I'm not sure how this will do with our international public
> relations, or if such prisoners would eventually end up as
> recruits Al Qaeda. I got a good guess on these outcomes,
however.

    You are NOT thinking there son... We INSOURCE Al Queda to run our IRS... and ATF. trust me, they will be able to get the taxes collected... and achieve thier own goals at the same time. Already there are very good sized programs hiring Russian nationals in US security positions ( engaging these in conversation spills the beans..some dont even speak english)

>
> > So we may have to retire the civil servants to india..
> > calcutta maybe where rents are not so high. that would
> > work.... with all the civil servant retires in Calcutta,
we
> > would need to move much of the civil servants there to
provide
> > services.
> >
>
> Reading The Economist, I came across an interesting quote.
I
> went something like this, "Outsourcing is good in the long
run,
> but then again, in the long run, we'll all be dead."

      There is some heavy pressure from those with the money to command US politicians to do these things, foreign and domestic money, mostly foreign though I believe... rev Moon a prime example...and the chinese with Chinton and now Bush... the controlled press is forced to fall into line and relegated to usiing mixed messages at best or sliding in joke now and then..

When our tax base dies so will our consumer economy and china's largest export market..but still china will do well.... they can undersell us 5 to 1 easily...for instance window AC units that used to sell for $250 dollars in 1995... now with inflated currency are selling at 68 dollars for the chinese models.... thats not viable by any stretch for the long or short term US economy, its workers, its tax base or its government dependent on that structure.

We will be screwed totally before we are forced to wake up...then it will be way way too late to reverse any of that.

>
> My opinion is you can't stop outsourcing. But, maybe -at
> least- you can slow it down to make the transitions not as
> painful.

Unions can be a big problem...but if american unionized fully we could stop outsourcing in its tracks. I think it will have to come to that or wage price controls and tarrifs if the US is to maintain its internal viability.... or we can become calcutta II that would be impressive...in fact we have little calcutta's and other slums growing across the US now.

Phil Scott Received on Wed Oct 20 2004 - 10:17:07 PDT